From the record of the police examination of the accused in the 1971 case of R. v. Wray. "John, now listen to me good. Now I was through the war, see, and I've been around. Now remember this and remember it good. Have you ever seen rubby dubbies, winos?" "Yes." "Have you ever seen alcoholics?" "Yes." "Do you know why they go that way? Have you got a clue?" "No. I have an idea." "I'll explain something. You have the cerebreal, and then you have the tholmus and the hipatholmus. Now a person is going to blot out something he doesn't like, see, but you just can't do it, John. You just no can do, because the subconscious mind takes over and you never live it down. Every time you want to do something you think of it. Now here's this poor joker, he's in the grave, oh, yes, now you can never go to him and explain to him, say I'm sorry I did it. He won't understand you. Do you believe in E.S.P., Extra Sensory Perception?" "I don't understand it too much, but I know it exists." "All right. All right, do you know what happens when they're dead? The spirit takes off." "Yes." "The body's spirit takes off. Now his body's lying there in the grave. Now for Christ sake, John, if you did it, see, if you did it and if you think for one goddamn minute you can live with this all your life without telling you'll never make it. You'll never ever make it. It will haunt you and in about five years time you will be in the goddamn with the rubby dubs trying to hide it, you'll be trying to get in behind some curtains, you'll be trying to pull a shroud around you but you'll never make it, see. You get half a dozen of those rubby dubs and you bring them in here and I'll put them on the machine and they tell me why they're like that. You know why? They're trying to forget something. They're trying to forget something they did that was very goddamn serious, very bad, see, but they never make it. They go rubby dub, they go here, they steal here, they do every goddamn thing wrong, all their life, eh. Now, if you committed this goddamn thing, see, tell them, tell the cops. What the hell can you get? They're not going to hang you. That's out. There is no capital murder. They're not going to hang you. What do you do. You get in there for seven or eight years and you're out. But at least you've got it and after that you can live with your conscience. But how the hell are you going to go to the grave and explain? You can't, and if you think for one minute, John, remember this, that that boy has relatives, that boy has mother and brothers and sisters and do you know what a vindictive person is? Eh? They'll go for you and maybe a year, maybe five years from now you'll be going down the road and some son of a bitch will run you off the road. You were in the goddamn service station. Now when I asked you whether it was an accident you said, yes, and it was an accident, see. There's extenuating circumstances because a person goes in there… you didn't go in there to shoot the fella. When a fella goes in there, sure, what happened to this - look at that goofy one that came here from Montreal, he shot three people in a bank robbery, what did he get, he's out now. He didn't even serve ten years. Three people in a bank robbery. See. So you went in there. You didn't go in there to shoot the guy, but the gun went off. It was at close range. What did he do, grab the gun from you? Did he grab the rifle from you? Eh?" "No." "What happened? Well, get it off you chest man, you're young, but in a few years you'll be out. But if you think that you're going to live with this, laddie, you'll never ever never make it. It's going to bug you for the rest of your goddamn life. And you try and sleep, that's the kicker, you try and lay down and go to sleep. Now what the hell happened there. Did you get in a tussle with him - what happened? Well, spit it out. Your mother knows, your brother knows, your sisters know, your uncle knows. Do you think you can kid your mother for one minute - never! Your mother knows. That's why she tried to protect you. You know. Now what the hell happened, eh? Will you tell us what happened?" "Yes."